February 27, 1999
Robert
These are the best answers I can provide. I don’t have current knowledge about all the questions, however, I did the best I could with the information I had or could find from my sources. Please keep this information privilege between you and Joseph Firmage. I’m ready for more questions!….Rick
Note
to readers: The below questions/answers were reproduced exactly as they were
received with none of the grammar errors corrected. We were under a short
term contract with Joe Firmage, International Space Sciences Organization (ISSO) (starting in February 1999, copy of contract
kept on file here) to provide information he requested. Unfortunately, just
as the momentum was building from all the sources Joe decided he wanted more
than we could offer at the time. Joe then proceeded to make investments with
some very questionable people losing millions in the process.
Joe
Firmage
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QUESTIONS:
Joe
Firmage: Can you describe the profile and character of the group of people who
presently govern the best first-hand knowledge of the phenomenon and related
material? If once MJ-12, what now? What is the character today?
Rick Doty:
Since all my knowledge of the phenomenon was in the late 70s and early 80s,
I knew the character of only certain MJ-12 members. I did not know the
entire group. I met two MJ-12 members, I’ll call MR. X and MR Y. MR. X was
a former scientist who worked for Los Alamos Laboratories during the 50s. He
graduated from a small
Maryland
College
, obtained a Masters Degree from U of Penn and served in the US Navy.
He worked for Military Intelligence and later Defense Intelligence. He was
employed at
Los Alamos
as a scientific intelligence officer. He
later went to work for the CIA. He
was charming, intelligent and very witty, especially regarding the subject
of UFOs. He knew the entire
US
involvement in UFOs from the
Roswell
incident to present day (circa 1980). He
had met EBE-1 and EBE-2. He described MJ-12 as a quasi-Government entity
that was neither connected to the US Government nor not connected to the US
Government. MJ-12 existed as an independent entity that worked parallel with
the US Government but only in the subject area of UFOs.
MR.
Y was educated at
Cornell
University
. He was not a scientist but an
intelligence officer. He worked directly for the CIA from the late 40s until
his retirement in 1988. He was one of the key policy makers of MJ-12. He
described MJ-12 in the same fashion as MR. X. However, MR. Y. related that
no one member of MJ-12 was the leader. All members served for lifetime and
had the same voice as other members. MR. Y or X couldn’t explain exactly
how members of MJ-12 were chosen. They were just picked, MR. X would say and
the President had the final word.
The
groups designation MJ-12 was established in 1947 by the older group. The
group was re-designated Special Advisory-12 in 1986. I have no knowledge what
the group is called today.
Firmage:
Was the decision to maintain secrecy part of a plan “from above” or an
understandable reaction by human leaders to a fundamentally unknown
phenomenon?
Doty:
According to MR. X the secrecy plan was developed after the Roswell incident by President Truman. Military
leaders saw a possible application of UFOs and the possibility of using UFOs
to hide military operations. As with all military operations, sensitive ones
were classified to prevent the unauthorized disclosure to foreign
governments. However, when the US Government learned more about UFOs and
their relationship to Earth, it was obvious that this information could not
be disclosed to the public for fear of panic.
*From the MJ-12 1st
Annual Report (rough draft circa 1952) page 7 paragraph P.
*And
see the Eisenhower Briefing document (EBD) Wescott letter at, http://www.ufoconspiracy.com/reports/truman-stuart-mj12.htm
Firmage:
What information has been given by the group to Hollywood over the decades?
Doty:
This answer came from MR. Y. After the Roswell incident, the US Government or
specifically, MJ-12, envisioned the possible truth about UFOs leaking out to
the public sector. MJ-12 developed a plan to condition the public by slowly
leaking out information about UFOs. The best media for this would be the
movie industry. MJ-12 had a covert relationship with the movie industry.
MJ-12 would employ writers who would release or pass UFO related stories to
the movie industry. MJ-12 would convince movie producers to use stories
about UFOs. Some examples of these efforts includes, 50 era UFO movies. This
continued even through the 70s and early 80s. Close Encounters of Third Kind
and ET are two examples.
Firmage:
What are the dimensions of this phenomenon viewed by the group as most
difficult for the public to absorb?
Doty:
The religious aspect of this phenomenon is the most difficult for the public
sector to absorb. Religious groups would or could not accept certain aspects
of the UFO truth.
Firmage:
What is the extent of knowledge of the phenomenon among key congressmen and
senators?
Doty:
The only senators and congressman that I know who had been briefed on the
truth about UFOs are Senator Pell, Spector, Helms and Reid (
Nevada
). I don’t know of any congressman who
has been briefed.
Firmage:
Is my contention that this phenomenon is connected with the history of
religion? What can you say on this point?
Doty:
Current history of UFOs does not involve religion. However, the history,
which was provided to us by our Alien friends, involved religion. This is
the most closely guarded secret of the UFO phenomenon. The US Government
knows the history of our Alien friend’s visitation to Earth. The
visitation occurred some 2,000 years ago. It was connected to Jesus. You
might say Jesus was an Alien. Can you imagine what religious complications
could occur if this information became public?
Comments on the above:
Ernie Kellerstrass (known by Paul McGovern since both worked at Site 51)
said that this “visitation” was a “helper (s)” and not related to
Christ. Ernie had a great deal of knowledge about both the Red and Yellow
books while he was at FTD (Foreign Technology Division-WP) and before.
Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI)
and Special Access Programs (SAP)
Widely misunderstood as classification levels or specific clearances
are the terms "Sensitive Compartmented Information" (SCI)[13]
and "Special Access Program" (SAP).[14]
In fact the terms refer to methods of handling certain types of
classified information that relate to specific national-security topics or
programs whose existence may not be publicly acknowledged, or the
sensitive nature of which requires special handling.
The paradigms for these two categories, SCI originating in the
intelligence community and SAP in the Department of Defense, addresses two
key logistical issues encountered in the day-to-day control of classified
information:
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- Individuals with a legitimate need-to-know may not be able to
function effectively without knowing certain Top Secret facts
about their work. However, granting all such individuals a blanket
DoD clearance (often known as a "collateral" clearance)
at the Top Secret level would be undesirable, not to mention
prohibitively expensive.
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- The government may wish to limit certain types of sensitive
information only to those who work directly on related programs,
regardless of the collateral clearance they hold. Thus, even
someone with a collateral DoD Top Secret clearance cannot gain
access unless it is specifically granted.
SAP and SCI implementation are roughly equivalent, and it is reasonable
to discuss their implementation as one topic. For example, SAP material
needs to be stored and used in a facility much like the SCIF described
below.
Department of Energy information, especially the more sensitive SIGMA
categories, may be treated as SAP or SCI.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_Compartmented_Information
Rick Doty answers Joe Firmage's
questions about MJ-12
